In Response....

This Flash presentation is powerful stuff.

After listening to the voice message left by CeeCee Lyles on her home answering machine, I don’t know how much more of this I can take. She was a flight attendant on flight 93 whose heart-wrenching farewell was recorded on the family answering machine. She was fully aware that the twin towers had been hit by passenger airliners and knew that it was unlikely that she would see her family again. Sad, sad stuff.

To be fair, the We Are Change group, has not yet addressed their own theories about U93, short of Bob D’s personal feelings that it may have been shot down. But nothing else presented to me has panned out after having wasted my time with further research. Not to mention, that all of the concerns presented by them have been thoroughly discussed in other forums.

I was not previously familiar with Bazant and his work, but after digging into it, he seems to be creditable guy with a great deal of structural design knowledge – certainly more than I have. Please, give me somebody that can understand and properly challenge his actual equations. It is complete BS to pooh-pooh his entire thesis based on an over-simplified line drawing taken out of context. Did they even read the report?

I thought Eliza’s responses to Bob D’s have been pretty solid. I think she has nailed him on a couple things – not that he would accept such.

CeeCee Lyles, and her fellow passengers knew that the plane was intended to be used as a missile, and that their only hope was to take back the cockpit. Perhaps they even knew that while this could risk ditching the plane, it might at least prevent the terrorists from hitting their intended target.

For the likes of Bob D to deny these people their last act of true heroism with unproven claims of missile strikes, diverted flight paths, faked phone calls, etc, infuriates me to the core.

It is one thing to question, that is what we skeptics do after all, but flat out denials are insulting when so much overwhelming evidence dictates otherwise. Some of these people believe that a missile hit the pentagon… how would you like to be one of the poor souls who had to the pick through the wreckage for little bits of human bodies for forensic identification?

I know that is an intellectual debate, and it is unfair to call to the emotions, but this is no parlor game, these are real people, who have left behind real survivors. These are men and women who suffered through the aftermath of the investigation and clean up. To discount or discredit these folks, with complete lack of evidence, sickens me.

I invite Bob D to reread the Wikipedia entry for scientific skepticism and then read the entry on pseudoscience.

Pseudoscience is defined as a body of knowledge, methodology, belief, or
practice that is claimed to be scientific or made to appear scientific, but does
not adhere to the scientific method, lacks supporting evidence or plausibility
or otherwise lacks scientific status.

As far as I concerned, most of these 9/11 truther theories fall into the realm of pseudoscience, and they still have a long way to go to convince me of otherwise.